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A Chat – Now – On occupyphilly.org – #occupyphilly #ows #occupytogether

October 13, 2011
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Here is exactly how it happened.  think about this today.  Both sides are important to everyone.  Either by addressing the point any party is saying or for just pure understanding.  Join the chat rooms at occupyphilly.org and discuss things like this with us, also tons of info there in general.

Within this discussion I am Twelve, “me” is another human contributor.

sally l
10:18 AM
whats the big issue w so many homeless people? are they moving from the shelters to occupy philly?

Me
10:19 AM
Probably
at occupy they’re guaranteed a place to sleep and plenty of food
also safety in numbers

Twelve
10:20 AM
Hello

sally l
10:20 AM
do you see that as a bit negative in a way? if they are already provided food and shelter in other places?
media suddenly focused on how its just a bunch of smelly homeless people using this as an opportunity to change their scene…hang out w a bunch of people they think want to help them and not the country as a whole.

Me
10:21 AM
the problem with homeless shelters is they are not big enough to hodl everyone
that’s the media skewing the truth
trying to make occupy look bad

sally l
10:21 AM
whats weird is speaking w several of them and theyre admitting to leaving their safe areas w food etc…to come here and use what food and shelter is there

Twelve
10:22 AM
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sally l
10:23 AM
i just feel like from day one to now….its mostly all street people. and thats fine…but its changed a lot about the vibe of the entire movement in phlly

sally l
10:25 AM
philly is just a weird city. in every way.
i wish more middle class came out
make more of an impact on the message

Me
10:25 AM
Philly is a poor city

sally l
10:25 AM
the poorest i think

Oki Red
10:25 AM
to sally: so you think a protest is a good way out?

Me
10:25 AM
but Occupy is making me fall in love with it

Twelve
10:25 AM
the occupiers are just part of the movement and an essential one. someone has to occupy. we need to create messaging that is sympathetic to their positions but also attracts those that are judgmental of them (the occupiers). we need help from everyone
people with other talents and other obligations are realizing that their time may be better spent off site
thanks ok

sally l
10:26 AM
what do you mean good way out

Joshua
10:26 AM
street people are people too

Twelve
10:26 AM
FUCK YA

Me
10:26 AM
we need bodies

Joshua
10:26 AM
capitalism let them fall through the cracks
so… yeah.

sally l
10:27 AM
i just think…the streets are a lifestyle of their own. its full of a lot of dangers etc. a lot of bad smells. a lot of weirdos who honestly lose their minds. i spoke to plenty there the otehr day who say its tough to keep your head straight. i just dont want it to turn into this community of crazy homeless people and turn the supporters away.
never said they werent

Joshua
10:27 AM
naw, you mustn’t worry about such things. love will win crazy over

Twelve
10:28 AM
i stand with them

sally l
10:28 AM
it has. definitely. theyre there to support but its just tough to see where it s headed

Me
10:28 AM
to be honest when I’m there I can’t tell the difference between teh homeless and hte occupiers most of the time

Twelve
10:28 AM
they are all occupiers
stop segregating

Me
10:29 AM
that was not my intention

sally l
10:29 AM
not many know why we or they are even there
theyre not there for the movement

Me
10:29 AM
I was just trying to point out that I can’t tell the difference, and it doesn’t matter

Nik Zalesky
10:29 AM
We can’t tell anyone they can’t come, and we can’t control who does, so why worry?

sally l
10:29 AM
stop segregating. occupy philly has a big issue w racism….idk if homeless would be included in that.

Oki Red
10:29 AM
“Occupy” will not resolve anything

Joshua
10:30 AM
oki, red. whatever you say.
go about your life as usual.
buy plenty of shit and die!

sally l
10:30 AM
im all for this. im there constantly. i work a day job and have donated hundreds already out of my own pocket, that i barely have

not trying to be negative. sorry if its coming across that way

Nik Zalesky
10:31 AM
What is the big issue Occupy has with racism?

Oki Red
10:31 AM
oh yeah, “plenty of shit and die”. So polite of you. I guess you tokk some private lessons near City Hall how to talk to girls

sally l
10:31 AM
just asking what people feel about the larger presence of some crazy homeless people who dont even know what is going on
people constantly talking about it. “we need more color”

Joshua
10:32 AM
Oki, for real though. you’re entitled to your opinion. I just wish you could see the bigger picture

Nik Zalesky
10:32 AM
I like that they’re there. There the 99%ers with the least voice, and we’re giving them solidarity and showing that if they’re taken care of, and it helps.

Oki Red
10:32 AM
trust me.
i know

Nik Zalesky
10:32 AM
People talking about we need more color is not racism.

Oki Red
10:32 AM
how it feels

Guest Marie
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10:32 AM
PLUS THEY GET TO PARTICIPATE

Oki Red
10:32 AM
i was born not in america. lets just say slavic country

Joshua
10:32 AM
that’s cool. you know oppression.
i hear ya. most americans don’t know they’re being oppressed though

Guest Jessie
10:33 AM
it can be annoying having screaming mentally ill homeless people, but it completely underscores our message that our system isn’t working for people

Guest Marie is now Twelve
Guest Jessie is now truth truth

there needs to be some kind of public mental health facility but
funding for that sort of stuff has been cut and cut

Joshua
10:33 AM
exactly why having them with us helps address such things and living together

truth truth
10:33 AM
not to mention better public housing, homeless shelters, etc.

Joshua
10:33 AM
is an important facet of that

Nik Zalesky
10:34 AM
Most Slavic countries now are capitalism run amok. When I was in Russia, I needed to hire a mob bodyguard so we wouldn’t get mugged on the streets.

truth truth
10:34 AM
don’t get mad at the homeless, get mad at the system that leaves mentally ill people completely on their own

Twelve
10:35 AM
everyone does not have a computer or connections to use or money to contribute or a persona that will help attract the masses. the occupation itself is not the only thing that is going on. an army is working. but the occupation is showing solidarity with the rest of the country. this is what initiates getting heard and is still required in many other cities. philly has it good in that department, we may not need to occupy any more. but that is also where the army congregates in person.

it is the glue. the physical space

2 Comments
  1. initiator and leader of the change needed to fix this mess permalink

    Each occupy movement is but a stone in the water creating ripples that move from center. Each of these waves eventually run into each other. Essentially what they are doing is showing the 99% that throwing rocks in a pond is cool and we all know that if you get a big enough rock and through it into the water, it makes waves.

    We need waves.

    Waves of change.

    The time is now.

  2. Dr. Dolittle permalink

    From a distance I can’t help but wonder if all the homeless was directed there, to discredit the group. From a distance the occupy movement seems more like shit hitting the fan–just blowing everywhere, with no particular purpose. Read Penniless Billionaires, not about hyperinflation, but rather the last two chapters–about how the elite created inflation from ’69-’80 and for every 4 billion added to M2, and there were lots of billions, the elite “borrowed” (often illegally (same collateral for multiple loans, preferential rates) 25%. During this period the elite quadrupled their wealth.

    I’m sure that the same thing is going on now. Four trillion, let’s see, so the elite, “borrow” one trillion. They buy “hard things” (depressed income real estate, commodities) then the price inflation follows M2 inflation, in ten years they pay off what they have “borrowed” for essentially 10 cents on the dollar.

    The Fed gave Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan et al “waivers” of conflict if interest. Since the megabanks distributed the funds–imagine the usefulness of such a waiver, and the value.

    Yet the Occupy movement has no fixed complaints, and no seemingly POV of what is needed. How about a simple demand: “Transparent Audit of America’s Gold Bullion,” how about something rather than the nebulous nothingness that seems to be the message?

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